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Tonight, I had my understanding of God and self questioned quite a bit.

I grew up in a very religious home. My mother ruled the house with her religion guiding her. When I was a teenager, I remember being forced to go to church else I would be grounded. Because of this and other forcefully bizarre actions, I became very athiest and have not accepted that any existance of God is there at all. There are things that question that, but for the most part it's pretty easy to write the amazing things off as just the human conscience. I have always believed that people are amazing and that our brains are capible of more than just making us who we are. The brain somehow can effect the world around us on a small level.

Anyways, I wanted to post a poll and I've love your thoughts on it.

Do you believe in god?

I worship everyday and I wouldn't be who I am with out Him.
5(10.9%)
Yes, there is a God. I don't need to worship everyday, but I know God is there.
6(13.0%)
Honestly, I'm not sure. At some point in my life, maybe I thought so, but right now it's very unclear.
11(23.9%)
There are no gods. That's nonsense.
11(23.9%)
Other, and I will explain my beliefs further.
13(28.3%)


Share any thoughts you have, I am much interested in hearing what people have to say about the topic.

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starrfighter
Mar. 7th, 2005 12:43 pm (UTC)
The Force
elsnaibs
Mar. 7th, 2005 02:03 pm (UTC)
I believe in: Real Ultimate Power

Are you ready to get PUMPED?
patrick
Mar. 7th, 2005 07:47 pm (UTC)
Hell yes! They are totally sweet!
wankle
Mar. 7th, 2005 02:27 pm (UTC)
I grew up in the same kind of house. Church every Sunday, youth group on wednesdays, Jesus Jesus Jesus all the time. Gays are bad, liberals are bad, love Jesus and you will go to heaven, blah blah blah.

I lost all faith in church and organized religion because of how strict and conservative my parents were, but it never made me stop believing in some kind of God. I don't think there's a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and all the christian mumbojumbo that goes along with that, but I do think there is "something" more than just the people and animals walking about on the planet. I think it's still possible (and generally a good thing) to be spiritual and have a belief in a higher power without buying into the whole Jesus thing.

Listening to what other people think about God and religion can be a really good thing, as long as those people don't have an agenda of trying to make you come around to their way of thinking because they're convinced it's the only good one. And that's the reason I haven't been to church since I left home. I know there are probably some good places to go and hear debate about this kind of stuff, but the church doesn't seem to be the best place for it, so I doubt I'll ever go back.
phatfhorn
Mar. 7th, 2005 03:56 pm (UTC)
I think we grew up in a pretty similar sort of home. heh.

Through high school, I acquired a fairly strong intellectual foundation for my faith through the Barry's bible study, but it never actually had an effect on the way I live my life. It wasn't until the end of my freshman year that I came to see Christianity from a new and different angle. It's very important to see it apart from Mom's beliefs---I've come full cirlce to largely believe what she does, but it took me seeing it a different way, coming to a different understanding.

Something to remember is this---something can be true regardless if you WANT it to be true. Truth is truth regardless if you want it to be so. Have you ever made something true by velieving it REALLY hard? I believe if you really start investigating the facts behind evidence for Christ's resurrection, you'll be surpresed. Furthermore, if you investigate the actuality of God's Holy Spirit, you'll be even more surprised.

But in all things, Pat, use your reason. Cheistianity is a completely reasonable faith---it simply requires a presupposition for theism (which is reasonable in itself). Of course, I'd love to talk about it more.

I'd love to talk in general right now. I'm going through a really rough time.
phatfhorn
Mar. 7th, 2005 03:58 pm (UTC)
Sorry for thr typos, I started writing really fast...
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the_myth_eve
Mar. 7th, 2005 04:25 pm (UTC)
I was raised in a religous home as well with church every sunday and for awhile went to private christian school.

I think over time I have grown and gotten to see no matter whether you are invovled with a religous group or not, your still a human being. Organized religion is very good at judging people and brain washing [from my perspective] them.

My personal beliefs have become very personal. I beleive in a higher power a god or something to that effect. I also believe we are solely responsible for our own actions and we should not use someone else's name in place of those actions to justify them. I believe in good energy and bad. I believe in a spiritual world. I also believe in fairies and unicorns. lol. Eh ... I just think what I believe is more of a melting pot of different things.
herbaliser
Mar. 7th, 2005 04:25 pm (UTC)
there are no invisible pink unicorns
yeah, people who believe in god piss me off. even reg can piss me off, because he's "total agnostic". Take a stand you solipsistic motherfucker.
phatfhorn
Mar. 7th, 2005 05:02 pm (UTC)
Re: there are no invisible pink unicorns
Total agnosticism is a much harder thing to argue because it makes epistemological assertions that don't really make sense. Why can't we really know?

There are lots of good arguements both for and against the existence of God. To sit on the fence and not decide is a lot like sitting in an airplane terminal, saying that one can't know wich airplane one is supposed to be on, even though there are screens to tell you all over the place.
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baroof
Mar. 7th, 2005 05:25 pm (UTC)
For a long while I've been calling myself a 'spiritual atheist'. I know there's plenty out there that hasn't been explained, but I've yet to find a religion that I like.

Hail Eris, baby.
patrick
Mar. 7th, 2005 07:54 pm (UTC)
I have called myself a spiritual atheist as well! I totally know what you are talking about.
pushshove
Mar. 7th, 2005 05:28 pm (UTC)
I didn't know anything about religion until I started fucking a seminarian. He wants to talk about Jesus all the time. He took me to church with him one Sunday and it was the first time I'd ever been in a church for mass.

Religion is weird.
patrick
Mar. 7th, 2005 08:19 pm (UTC)
It's totally weird. People take this stuff way too seriously.
tanukisuit
Mar. 7th, 2005 05:32 pm (UTC)
You should read Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakaur (sp?) if you haven't read it already. The Mormon religion is pretty easy to prove that it is a crackpot theory because it came about so recently... and that puts other organized religions into perspective as well... we weren't around when Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and Hinduism were formed... but if we were, then those religions could probably be easily proven to be wrong or whatever it is that they are. However, just because organized religions might be totally wrong, it doesn't mean that there isn't a higher force. There must be some reason why all of these people started believing in God.... well, theres the agricultural and society survival reasons etc... but come on, GHOSTS are proven to exist... so if there are GHOSTS then there is some sort of weird supernatural force.
tanukisuit
Mar. 7th, 2005 05:35 pm (UTC)
Also, i think there is a difference between believing IN god and believing that there is a higher force.
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xkissikx
Mar. 7th, 2005 06:04 pm (UTC)
i would consider myself an *cringe* agnostic if i had to put it into a single word. my family is very religious, but religion has never been a factor in my life. i remember going to church (forced to go) and not being present... ever. i have never believed in a higher power. the reason for this: i have never had an experience to make me believe. it is simply not a factor in my life. i accept that i am alive and that i will die. while i am here i do not have a set "purpose" aside from what i make of my life. maybe some day i will have a life threatening experience and i will "see the light" as my mother puts it. until then, i have no need to validate my (or anyone else's) existence. that said, i do not know what happens upon death... i have not died. who knows, it might be some big party with green horses and talking teddy bears. i can't know what lies beyond life, or death, if anything. and i am comfortable with that; i do not need to know.
patosa
Mar. 7th, 2005 06:16 pm (UTC)
do i believe in god?
only during sex.

no, really, i believe in evolution. it's so awesome there's probably some greater force behind it.

i like to believe in the goodness of humankind as well, but i'll admit, my faith often waivers. wouldn't yours?
bostonsteamer
Mar. 7th, 2005 06:42 pm (UTC)
I was also raised in a religious home. We kept kosher, and went to synagogue every Friday night for the beginning of the Sabbath. My parents bought us ice cream on the way home if we behaved. The interesting thing about Judaism is that the kids can decide whether or not they want to become Bar/Bat Mitzvah, and thus decide if they want to practice Judiasm. My mom decided not to become Bat Mitzvah, and she always told us regretted the decision once she got older. I think that probably helped keep me and my sister on track.
pitbull
Mar. 8th, 2005 11:57 am (UTC)
Do you think religion has helped you become a better person?
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daeverra
Mar. 7th, 2005 09:03 pm (UTC)
i think quent and i both related that "worship" in this sense was termed loosely for us.

i think you probably meant going to mass, etc?
patrick
Mar. 8th, 2005 07:26 pm (UTC)
I could have sworn I wrote a response to you
But apparently it's not here? Maybe I'm going crazy.

Worship really means whatever, as long as you feel you are worshipping. Do you mentally commit some time during the day or at least the week to worship? It doesn't have to mean going to mass once a week, it could just mean giving a morning pray before you start your day.
chopolonaise
Mar. 8th, 2005 12:31 am (UTC)
wow lots of comments.

here's my thing in a nutshell omitting like every detail because it would take eternity.

1) i was baptised catholic so i have to live with the guilt of my existence.
2) if i don't believe in a god obviously i'm a sinner so i feel more guilt.
3) i was supposed to go to catholic schools but that didn't work out, long story, so i feel more guilt...and feel as though i should praise "god"/god more.
4) at a party i was baptised budhist so i don't know.

but i think overall, i do believe there is a god. but i really picture him more as a god like in bruce all mighty. black and handsome. ha ha chuckle chuckle, but seriously folks. i think there is a god. because certain things have happened that i hoped for that i had no control over, that DID happen. i can't tell you off the top of my head, but my head tells me that this is true. and the mind is stronger than the body, as descartes says, so i have to believe it.

but sometime when we hang out so i can get that mix and whatnot, we can go into it further after some small talk.

-elisabeth
p.s.
I LOVE KYLIE MINOGUE SO MUCH!!!!!
patrick
Mar. 8th, 2005 07:37 pm (UTC)
meeting soon
hooray for guilt. you being raised catholic totally makes sense to me. it would have been the religion I would have guessed for you.

we should delve into budhism more. I have been researching Taoism a little bit and it's interesting.

As for meeting soon, besides me just having the most annoying work schedule for hanging out with people in the world, I am free after 8:30 pm most weeknights and the weekends are usually good. I'm a popular fellow so sometimes I get a little booked up for plans, but this has to happen soon for totally seriously.
velvet
Mar. 8th, 2005 03:39 am (UTC)
I will not explain my beliefs further.
patrick
Mar. 8th, 2005 07:38 pm (UTC)
you don't have any beliefs. don't be silly!
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