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Abu Ghraib for fun and sport

'The Christian in me knows it was wrong, but the corrections officer in me couldn't resist making a man [urinate on] himself.'

The defense for the Abu Ghraib: Wait a minute, you mean the fact that we excessively abuse prisoners on tv all the time does NOT make it ok for us to abuse prisoners like that in real life? WTF, I thought that because 24's Jack Bauer can torture people on tv by shooting a guy in the leg to make him talk that we could go that far in real life. Doesn't Hollywood really just mirror society?

Poll #416429 Prisoner Abuse

Does Abu Ghraib really bother you?

Yes, these are human beings we are talking about here!
20(90.9%)
You know, now that you mention it, they aren't killing anybody.
1(4.5%)
It's never bothered me. It's just like the movies. Who really cares about the prisoners anyways?
1(4.5%)

Who really cares about the prisoners anyways?

I do, humans are humans. What about their human rights?
22(100.0%)
Prisoners lose their rights the moment they get caught, err, I mean are sentenced.
0(0.0%)

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nder
Jan. 11th, 2005 10:04 am (UTC)
I wouldn't say it REALLY bothers me, but fuck, people should know better, yknow? It's not right, regardless of degree.
ellenlouise
Jan. 12th, 2005 02:18 am (UTC)
While what happened at Abu Ghraib is very troublesome, remember that we are learning about it, and being disgusted by it, because these military personnel being court martialed (which is similar to being charged with a felony). What is more disturbing to me is the unknowns -- we really don't know what's going on at Guantanemo, and other detention facilities.
patrick
Jan. 12th, 2005 03:32 am (UTC)
of course, we have no idea how much worse things could be. but don't we kinda assume that it's going to be bad now? People say Guantanemo now and think of torture going over the top with no checks for when people should stop. It feels like society hasn't ever really said, "this is unacceptable behaviour" to the military. Instead, we just have movies that feature the hero torturing someone to get them to talk and I think people start to believe that this truely is ok. emotional distress and physical injuries are not important when we are trying to get information.

My biggest problem with abu ghraib is that, at least from the pictures, it looks like they are just fucking with the prisoners because the can, not for any purpose in general.
russian
Jan. 12th, 2005 05:02 am (UTC)
Excuse the length, but --
For a sense of scale, however, try reading the complete list. And remember, this is just what the military could confirm as having happened:

a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet;

b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;

c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing;

d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time;

e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women's underwear;

f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;

g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;

h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;

i. (S) Writing "I am a Rapest" (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;

j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee's neck and having a female Soldier pose for a picture;

k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee;

l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;

m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.

a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees;

b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;

c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;

d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;

e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;

f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell;

g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.


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