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tanukisuit
Nov. 17th, 2004 12:19 pm (UTC)
before the election, a lot of people told me that their vote doesn't matter and that washington is a blue state, yadda yadda yadda.. I don't think they understood the whole voting process when it comes to electing state officials.
patrick
Nov. 17th, 2004 07:34 pm (UTC)
Before the election, people asked me why I cared so much about voting. I told them that although Washington state will go for Kerry, the Governor race will be close and it's important that as many people vote as possible. Once that happened, I was a little spooked by how right I was.
herbaliser
Nov. 17th, 2004 04:06 pm (UTC)
CRAZAH
patrick
Nov. 17th, 2004 07:34 pm (UTC)
Completely! OMG!
roark
Nov. 17th, 2004 09:18 pm (UTC)
Good for Britain. I can't wait till they ban that shit here. I hate how if I want to go to a bar or club, I pretty much am required to tolerate a night of carcinogens, a soar throat, and smelly-ass clothing.
patrick
Nov. 18th, 2004 09:09 am (UTC)
I'm a little split on how i feel about the smoking thing. on one side, smoke is gross and smells bad. on the other side, i'm still kinda a smoker and i like it.
roark
Nov. 18th, 2004 09:38 am (UTC)
I kinda feel like, unless a place is strictly built for one noxious activity or another, it shouldn't subject all its patrons to it.

That is, I hate when I'm at a bar that plays (recorded) music loud enough to damage hearing. I'm there to drink, not to get my hearing damaged. If I wanted a bunch of loud music, I'd go watch some band or dance at a club (and I'd probably bring ear plugs).

In a similar fashion, when I go to a bar full of smoke (all of them), I'm not there because I want to get some unhealthy cloud of smoke to hang out in... I'm there to drink and hang with my pals. But since you have to tolerate smoke in bars, I usually just don't go to them. It just doesn't seem right. Non-smokers like partyin' down, too, so why can't smokers just take their breaks outside, like everywhere else? Maybe one day smoking would be enough of a pain in the ass that people wouldn't do it anymore.

I know smokers like to say "well, I love smoking while I drink!" or whatever, but it's like "well, I like breathing clean air while I drink" and it just seems that by the natural order of sense-making, priority should always be given to the people who are making decisions in favour of health, and not because of an unfortunate self-destructive addiction. While the freedom remains to chain-smoke in bars, those of us who choose health are forced to stay home and be lame. So why can't it be that those who need to chain-smoke while drinking are the ones who have to stay home and be lame?

Apparently Missouri is already considering the ban-smoking-in-bars stuff, and that is pretty sweet I reckon.
patrick
Nov. 18th, 2004 09:43 am (UTC)
See, there is my problem. The arguement for banning smoking in bars is so strong and the only reason I have to keep smoking in bars is "well, i smoke in bars and i like it!" not very convincing.

I just feel selfish.
roark
Nov. 18th, 2004 08:24 pm (UTC)
Right, well at least you admit it's not a strong argument. I always feel a sort of hostility from smokers when you challenge their right to breathe smoke all over us. They're just like SMOKING IS WHAT GOES ON IN BARS IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO HOME OR I'LL KILL YOU. But it's like "uh well, if you could keep your smoke to yourself where it affected no one else, I wouldn't care." I mean, when I'm drinking in a bar, it's not like everyone else has to drink what I'm drinking. So why should I have to breathe what someone else is smoking?
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